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crime.mob · Feb 02, 2007, 11:06 PM // 23:06

i'm sorry this is a semi-noob question, but whats the point of PvE.

I went to kamadan and there are like 12 servers, and other towns have multiple servers too, while random and team arenas has only like 4, and even HA has only 3.

It seems like pve is a really big deal, but i can't figure out why. I come from games that the main point of grinding was to PvP (but soon found out the main point of grinding was to grind some more b/c theyre pvp systems suck). I made a NF PvE character before i made a pvp character, so I could get skills to pvp. Around level 16 it got to a point where it was much more effecient to get skills from pvp than grinding for it in pve (and you learn much more about the game from it too)

Im not flaming PvE, but i don't see what the big deal is. I mean after level 20 what is there to do? I guess you aim to finish the game, grind for skill points, and do dungeon raids or something like that (UW FoW). Also there is elite armor you can get, but its a bummer because no one can see them in the "instanced" world. The instanced part of the game is interesting because it makes things diablo-like, but its dumb that no one can see your tight armor, team up with you, or help you deal with an extremely hard part of the game.

The story is actually insanely good (nightfall) for a mmorpg, but most of the time it feels like im playing a one player (or 12 player co-op

)console game, so in those terms it sucks because of the insane down time... collecting god-forsaken sunspear points (of course its much worse for a level 20 character who doesn't get ANYTHING from a quest other than sunspear points). The quests as a whole seem to drag the game down, since unlike most other games, they don't offer items or unlocks for completing quests... just experience and skill points ( i think it would have been more interesting if I got prophecies because they give skills, which you don't have to buy with all your money like nightfall)

I'm not bashing PvE or anything, I just feel like I'm missing out on something but i don't know what.

EDIT:
i deleted my edit about how inventory clutter is annoying, because all the pve people think i'm an imbacile, i'll compact the post into one sentence: "inventory clutter is very annoying for casual pve 'ers"

(btw, i understand you get money for doing quests. Well otherwise everyone would be dirt poor, but you don't get anything cool like in other games, but w/e money is ok i guess.)

isamu kurosawa · Feb 02, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Simply put, more people prefer to pve be they casual or not. Some people like completing quests, missions and high end area's, finding rare loot and saving for armour, Even on multiple characters even if to a few it is to repetative.

You may not enjoy it or understand why, but other's do and its nice to have the option.

Its also nice to see someone asking why in a polite manner rather than insulting those interested in a different part of the game than them.

ShadowsRequiem · Feb 02, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

cause anet has done everything in their power to destory HA

The Pointless · Feb 02, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Reaching L20 is more of a tutorial. Once you ding it, you're in the game proper.

Skill points? I barely use them unless I need to switch to skills I don't have, and as a result, I always have enough points, so no grind there.

One-player game? Try making an effort to form a full human party then! /sigh

The SS points? Meh, fun to get if you bother picking up the quests, and you might learn a few things, like Koss's origins.

As for the FoW armour, you can see it in towns, and if you join someone - a HUMAN player - with it and go monster bashing, you will see it in full quality.

Oh, and you get GOLD from most quests, in case you ain't noticed

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

cause anet has done everything in their power to destory HA

Oh please... do you really think ANet would willingly destroy their baby? :s

ShadowsRequiem · Feb 02, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by The Pointless

Oh please... do you really think ANet would willingly destroy their baby? :s

yes and they have.
I cant begin to recall all of the people that have quit due to this.

Frazzy · Feb 02, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

people like PvE more than PvP so ther play PvE.

Series · Feb 03, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

It's because people find it fun. Why do people go on to Halo with their friends and play Co-Op mode instead of deathmatch? It's fun.

MegaMouse · Feb 03, 2007, 05:01 AM // 05:01

I personaly like to play SOF 2 deathmatches, no to be different but I just like to kill thingsd without getting in trouble for it. I realy enjoy the PVE part of GW because getting a particulary hard quest done gives a feeling of accomplishment to me, where HA and PVP just don't don't.

Mega Mouse

trobinson97 · Feb 03, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

Well, I play PvE not only because I find it fun, but because I've found PvP ridiculous. Please don't get me wrong, I am very much interested in PvPing. Here's the problem. It's harder to get in a group than any pve mission. That is, if you're a r3 noob like me or lower. Just today, I got totally turned off the elitism/stupidity of of pvping.

I'll start with the stupidity, not of the whole player vs. player mechanic, but of the players who are using. I went o AB, just to grind out some Balt faction, and have fun (hopefully winning). After 10-15 minutes of the timer counting down, we finally get in. After we do that, the stupidity starts. 5, count em, FIVE people are afkrs! So that leaves 7 people against 12 Luxons. WE are already at a disadvantage, but being competitive, I still want to do my best. Unfortunately, the majority of my side didn't really care, so they just ran around making jokes and what not. I can't really blame them for giving up, but hell, that's still annoying.

So then i say, screw it, I'll try my chances in HA. I knew this was like the creme de la creme of pvp so to speak, and getting in a group would be hard. I didn't know how hard until an hour later of "LFG I will try my best to do whatever you want me to" without even a "get out noob". Totally ignored.

Eh, whatever, I figured I'd try my luck in TA. See HA paragraph.

Ooookay, down to RA, hell, at least I don't actually have to form the group here. Press Enter Battle, get in a match right away. Almost as quick as we get into the match, two people from my team leave. Of course, no one leaves on the other side. I chalked it up to bad luck, and tried again. 6 games in a row where someone left I said screw it.

So what's left for me? PvE that's what. Can't find a group? Cool, Koss, Dunkoro, Olias saddle up. Find a PUG but it's got leavers and Leeroys? Cool, Sousuke, Master of Whispers, Norgu, let's ride fellas. PvE is the only thing for me at this point.

tomcruisejr · Feb 03, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

PvE was fun until they introduced the heroes.

I was accustomed to typing " Forming mission bonus group self invite" and i receive invite, play the game and finish the mission bonus back in prophecies hey day. Now, i wanna do the poghan mission so i can ride those wurms in gates of desolation but all of the 25 RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin guys there have 8 on top of their character and only 1 guy looking for a group. Sad.

Please remove heroes from PvE and throw them back in HA please. Heroes are dumbing down the PvE experience. HAers need heroes more so they can get fame easily.

VitisVinifera · Feb 03, 2007, 06:10 AM // 06:10

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Originally Posted by MegaMouse

I personaly like to play SOF 2 deathmatches, no to be different but I just like to kill thingsd without getting in trouble for it. I realy enjoy the PVE part of GW because getting a particulary hard quest done gives a feeling of accomplishment to me, where HA and PVP just don't don't.

Mega Mouse

haha dude I used to LOVE SOF 2 multi player. That used to really get my adrenaline going. That was pure fun, and it was simple enough that balancing was nearly a non-issue.

Anyways, the reason I believe more people PvE than PvP is because PvP is more time consuming -- you generally need to be in a PvP-oriented guild, and they'll size you up in terms of your skill, which has a lot to do with time put in.

PvE is very much like a traditional offline single player game (nowaways at least) -- you can put it away for a few weeks and are none the worse. That's more convenient for folks who have a job, family, and/or school and not a whole lot of free time that they don't have to dedicate to/with others.

No judgments there, and those are just my thoughts.

strcpy · Feb 03, 2007, 06:20 AM // 06:20

For the same reason I play other PvE games - I like being a part of that world, doings quests/missions, and finally just killing things. Between the chapters there is plenty to do with titles, quests, and missions. Each character plays a bit different so, while each time the story/goals are the same, the gameplay isn't.

Personally I've never understood PvP. Other than a /rank emote there is little to gain from PvP'ing unless you are one of the top guilds - everyone has the same items, armor, and looks. The only titles are account wide ones. If you are in one of the top guilds - yes I can see liking my name coming up if I were holding halls or having people want to watch me play with observer mode. But how many really can say that happens - very very few.

At least from a personal point of view, I rather suspect some of the attitudes had/have something to do with it. First off, I haven't given PvP a go since well before Factions, so things may be different now. I got flamed too much - if you did well then you typically got "cheater" thrown at you all the time - if you lost then you got "you suck" whispers a lot. If you ran your own build you were called an idiot, if you ran a current build then you sucked and didn't know how to play - only copy those that did. I play for fun, getting flamed for every possible thing you could do isn't fun. I enjoy PvE immensely and you can avoid that type of thing (note, same reason I only play with either friends or computer AI), I do not have the time to put in to a guild where you can play PvP without running into that all the time.

Of course, that is why there is different things for different people.

Kakumei · Feb 03, 2007, 06:25 AM // 06:25

You might not be familiar with them, but there are these crazy things called "opinions" and "preferences". Neat stuff.

Wilhelm · Feb 03, 2007, 06:30 AM // 06:30

PvE is more acessible as a whole....which is why I've spent a majority of my time there.
It's a good starting ground to understand what your profession is capable of, and what profession is suitable to your playstyle.

Many people have started in PvE (Including myself) and have expanded into PvP, and have done very well, while, some are still grasping the aspects, and finer points of being successful in a PvP setting....and Vice Versa...no flaming.

Pve...is easier to be successful...simply put.

I will, agree with tomcruisejr, that Heroes have made a signifcent impact on PvE, as they are for the most part..."more skilled" than 75% of the people you could pick up at an outpost...and for the most part, a better option.

Navaros · Feb 03, 2007, 06:53 AM // 06:53

Here's a few good reasons:

- Making a competent high-ranked team in PVP can take between 1 - 3 hours, only for it to then lose 2 rounds in and disband, thus wasting a ton of real-time for no gain whatsoever

- Making a competent team of low-ranked players is virtually impossible

- Any serious PVP requires hardcore third party voicechat software

- The three above points make participating in PVP a major headache

- Sigils have become worthless for eons so there's no way to gain anything from PVP to gain other than emotes or titles. Hence there is little motivation to get into PVP. Most players who want emotes or titles got them eons ago hence there is nothing left to gain from PVP.

- Non-hardcore players will have virtually no chance of success in PVP

- Not nearly enough PVP maps to sustain the game for the ~2 years it's been out

- Most of the common/popular builds in PVP - especially any and all that don't require hardcore players on third party voicechat to be effective - end up getting bashed to smithereens with the nerf bat, which makes the game unfun for players who like to play their favorite builds whenever they want and don't like their favorite builds to get nerfed into oblivion every few months; and casual players who aren't interested in making the leap to hardcore gamer

I don't get why you crime.mob, say that you don't get anything from PVE when in fact the opposite is true and it is PVP that you don't get anything from once you have a tiger. You can't even change your armor or weapons in PVP from the few default skins.

From what I can tell people don't PVE to grind out skill points (which are largely considered to be pointless from all the players I've talked to), but rather they farm to get money for better-looking items, which is more than can be said for what can be done via PVP, other than the emotes.

I can agree with you that there isn't much to do in PVE after level 20 other than get Fissure armor, but I don't see how a case can be made that there is more to do on the PVP side of the game. Both areas are very lacking in end-game rewards.

Gun Pierson · Feb 03, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

I play PvE to relax, have some fun. I grew out of the competitive nature of games. It became too stressy too serious and I'm too old for that sh1t. I find my pleasure now in farming stuff, get nice items and armor etc.

Haijiibirdhead · Feb 03, 2007, 07:37 AM // 07:37

I much prefer PvE to PvP simply because its much more fun imo , and I dont like using teamspeak.

That and the state of the metagame of PvP puts me off nowadays anyway , not to mention the elitism etc , so that if you arent in a like minded guild of players , who are all your friends , who want to put the hrs in , then forget about it lol , PvP aint happening.

Heroes ascent etc , they dont just pick players up , and The challenge missions in Cantha are always and will always be full of leechers , aka wastes of space.

So as far as I see it Pvp simply isnt worth it , not anymore at any rate. No real incentive to put in that effort now.

Alleji · Feb 03, 2007, 07:52 AM // 07:52

Because PvE is easier. (Both to play and to get into)

sLiceR · Feb 03, 2007, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I play PvE to relax, have some fun. I grew out of the competitive nature of games. It became too stressy too serious and I'm too old for that sh1t. I find my pleasure now in farming stuff, get nice items and armor etc.

I'll quote that, I come from a long competitive fps experience. That was too much.

And I'll add that in PvE I don't have to wait to form a group, since I generally play solo farming builds. I would say I don't actually like PvE, I just like to solo things

GourangaPizza · Feb 03, 2007, 08:38 AM // 08:38

You don't get so much of "so long losers" or "pwnz noobs" in Pve as compared to Pvp. Like someone said before, Pve is a laidback kind of experience for you to immerse yourself in. While else Pvp... i really couldn't find anything good to say about it right now, as there are lots of uncivilised behaviour on-going in the Pvp scene.